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. . . and I have authored in this particular committee, the oceanography programs.

Barring all of that, are you saying do nothing?

Mr. DENVER. No, sir, I am not saying do nothing. And that is exactly why I am here and why I applaud this hearing and applaud what these ladies, what the PMRC has presented to us.

Senator HOLLINGS. Well, I think we have got to be sensible about it. But like you say -- particularly with at least the radio and TV, I cannot read the words coming there. I can see that difference between Mr. Zappa and myself. A person of free volition can go in and read the language and see the words there. I would not have to read it.

Then, to not have some inhibition, some kind of discipline, as you describe it, within the broadcast media, we flunk the course, because there are 6 hours of that thing steaming and beaming into the home.

Mr. DENVER. Well, you know, Senator -- excuse me if I am interrupting.

Senator HOLLINGS. No, sir.

Mr. DENVER. When I was raised, television was just coming out and, golly, it was an attractive medium. And I could sit there in front of that TV set and watch it all day. My parents set some restrictions on how much time I could watch television during the week, especially when I was going to school, and I could choose the programs that I wanted to watch.

And I think this is kind of an influence that we can exercise as parents on our children. Just because it is on 7 hours does not mean our kids are going to sit there and watch it that whole time, and we can give them a certain amount of time.

And over here, for me one of the things that I am fortunate with is my children and I live in a beautiful country and we have a lot of activities which really call us outdoors, call us together and away from the boob tube. I do not watch very much television.

And I think we can exercise this kind of influence on our children in a city environment.

Senator HOLLINGS. You and I are different -- I mean, you and I are the same. We do not watch much TV. I do not watch that much television, obviously.

But the record is otherwise. They are watching television as much as the instructions [sic?] in the classrooms of the public schools and more. All surveys show that, so it is being watched. That is the fact, and living in the real world, where you and I would like to restrict our children and my grandchildren now, it is a real problem. It is a real problem.

And I guess you know from being a master at the art that, where you start off selling that record is to get it accepted at some good programming, some good broadcasting, and then the sales follow. You cannot print those words ahead of time so I will know to cut the television off quick.

Whatever it is, unless that discipline develops, in other words, with the broadcast media, we are going to be forced somewhere with regulations, through the FCC or otherwise. I do not think the American public is going to go along just with a nice hearing up in . . .

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